Find summer camps that specifically are designed for boys. When my boys were younger (they are 32 and 27 now), we sent them to a sleep away camp, in the woods, that was designed for all the masculine tendencies- camping, fires at night, scavenger hunts, canoeing, archery, etc. They loved it! They were surrounded by other boys and men and learned that it was okay to be masculine.
There’s something to this with relation to the Boy Scouts going the way of the dodo. I’m not the first person to observe this, but the systematic eradication of male-only spaces is highly concerning.
Just wait until middle school when students get a little more freedom....the boys go absolutely crazy and the teachers get mean and angry. 3 years of hell and fighting with a boy to get out the door to go to public school was exhausting! Pulled him out and put him into a private high school for boys....boy, was that the best thing we ever spent money on! His 1st day of school, he told me how respected he felt and how the teachers (many male, some female) made them feel welcome. Their time was respected, their life after school was respected (meaningful homework), their sports were respected. He hated English class (always did) but his favorite teacher was his English teacher (9th and 12 grade). Boys learn differently and public schools refuse to acknowledge that.
Very very well put. The need for masculine men as mentors for boys cannot be understated. The need for men as the example for what his daughter should marry cannot be understated.
I think you are right about the core issue here, but you are exaggerating your claims and it's going to turn off the very people who need to hear it. You write, "The protagonists in all the movies and T.V shows are women..." This is objectively false. T.V. and Movies for kids is chock full of men punching men, superheroes, and physical solutions to almost every problem. My kid is a bit older now, but I'm glad to be free of all the punching sound effects.
“We just heard a fascinating and disturbing study, where they looked at the ratio of men and women in groups. And they found that if there’s 17 percent women, the men in the group think it’s 50-50. And if there’s 33 percent women, the men perceive that as there being more women in the room than men.”
There is no choice between Peterson and Tate. They are both contributing to a call for males to take back their identity from the insane radical feminists.
I make this case relative to the call for female equality. If she offends you in an altercation, will you punch her in the face like you would a male doing the same? If that image alarms you and causes you to recoil in disgust, then you have clearly proven that females are not equal in your mind. They are still potential weak victims to be treated softer and with protection from males.
It is that perspective built into our brains that the fems exploit in a dirty, nasty and ugly approach to gain power over men. They benefit from the ingrained biological and evolutionary behavior in men to protect women while these women commit to destroy men.
I say males start punching feminists in the face, rhetorically or otherwise, as they would another male. I am all for real equality!
Tate's a rapist. You really want to idolize him? It sounds like you do when you talk about women wanting to destroy men. You sound like an incel talking about girls, or someone in the Klan talking about Black people or Jews. Not everyone is out to get you or people who look like you.
Have you never noticed that kids have been expected to sit still and be quiet in school since, oh, the early 1900's? This isn't "feminine coded", it's the reality of being in an environment where kids are expected to learn. And boys did just fine in those environments for decades. It's only in the past few years that parents have been expecting schools to not enact any kind of discipline on them, instead letting them run around, scream, act out, and have whatever tantrum or "meltdown" they want...at the expense of the other children. If your kid can't cut it in an academic environment, there are plenty of vocational high schools and trade schools out there.
Up until fairly recent time, most boys went to work at ages as young as 14, where they were under the authority of older men who made them do what was expected whether they liked it or not (and fathers who owned their wages). Only a minority even had to cope with high school, much less college. And, of course, many teachers and tutors were men, and schools emphasized rough sports under the exact understanding that these were needed to get adolescent boys into a state where they could do intellectual work.
What you are referring to may be the premise that school was set up as a consequence of the Industrial Revolution. And while I agree that boys aren’t the only victim, children are victim of being energetic and creative. The current system is beyond antiquated. The over surge of dopamine from electronic devices plays a role. But the world is naturally averse to any forms of masculinity until it’s needed for survival. This has to change. Boys should be allowed to be boys. And as Jordan Peterson once said, “It’s not ok to be a man. It’s vital!”
I wrote this a while back, but it's still relevant.
"When I was growing up, we were taught that real men don't blame their problems on others, and especially not on those who were traditionally less well-off than we were. Real men were men of their word, honored their obligations, and didn't practice deceit to get where they wanted to go. Bullying those who were weaker than us was considered shameful. Are these values still relevant today? I would say yes, they are and they always will be, but our children aren't being taught those lessons."
What are your thoughts on combat sports for boys? (I'm not talking about martial arts, which seemingly adapted to a girl power niche prior to the late 2000s.)
You are observing now what I saw a decade ago (when my son was your son's age) - we were in peak toxic masculinity then, while simultaneously throwing midwives under the bus (having them erase all the words like "women" and "mother" from their websites and intake forms). Hoping that we are now sliding back to something more balanced.
I get where you're coming from. I have a 3-year-old son who has 3 sisters and is with me all day. I am not a single mom... my son loves being around me. His father will take him to do "boy stuff" often but he really enjoys being with me and his sisters the most.
I don't know how I would feel about having male teachers around my kids due to so many reports of male pedophiles working in schools and doing unspeakable things to little boys and girls. This is in middle school and high school and, in some cases, elementary. I think the schools in my area have been fair to both genders.
I do have some concerns about my son going into school and what kids and adults might say when they see him with long hair. We are a Puerto Rican family, and usually, Taino men have long hair. It's a sign of masculinity in our culture. I do not plan to cut his hair to appease others.
He is very much a boy. He loves sports, music, cars, and fixing everything he can for his older sisters. He refuses to wear a dress when his sisters ask him to or play with dolls. I got him so many toys that are just for him because he likes doing boy things, and the girls see how important it is for him to have these things. They no longer try to ask him to join them in girl games but will have him be the repairman, mechanic for the Barbie car, etc. They put on shows he would like on TV.
I feel okay with him going to school knowing that there are no male teachers. My husband feels the same way.
Predators like pedophiles will always seek out their prey, whether it's in a school, a church, or a youth group of any sort. I know that some men love to teach, but that's a paid job.
If a man (especially an unmarried one or one with no kids) volunteers to coach or read or do anything with young kids, I can't help but think there's an ulterior motive.
I was a child in a similar situation in the mid-late 2000s (my siblings were both boys, but I learned not to try and intrude on the brotherly bond they shared).
I would keep an eye out, but not necessarily panic. Kids intuitively understand that "what things are like in the house" is different from "what the world is like," and the latter is not going to come from what you seem to consider your strongpoints.
Try asking him if he ever plays boys vs girls games, and what they're like.
We use outdoor education at our school. There are a couple of integrated classes where the outdoors becomes the classroom for STEM and humanities. Though resilience is a key element of our programs, social and organizational development are additional byproducts. Through winter camping, cycling, skiing, exposure to animals (horses, dogs/puppies), hiking and some climbing, we hope to reach students that aren’t engaged by a typical education.
And Peterson will lose because he gives dumb Jungian takes rather than real philosophy and theology which men are dying for. Tate will win until we offer men the truth not neocon Zionism
I am forever grateful for Michael Gurian and his books. I read The Minds of Boys when the oldest of my 3 boys was in kindergarten and he was in trouble all the time. I only had sisters and had no idea at all about boys. Reading that book made me a better boy mom and helped me help him learn to control his school behavior . My husband is an amazing dad, but he was at a loss with school because it has changed so drastically since we were there.
The experience will probably turn him into a Nazi Just as the previous iteration is turning a huge chunk of Gen Z-ers into conservatives.
Social engineering is unsustainable in the long run, genetics will win through in the end; the blowback may be horrendous, but you reap what you sow.
Compliance depends on things otherwise being okay, on the "managerial State" doing its supposed job of running things efficiently, providing bread and circuses, at least. But that's what's failing. For example Gamergate was an example of ideological hubris leading to a failure to provide circuses that woke up a chunk of Gen X and Millennials, but the establishment still hasn't learnt its lesson, instead of keeping young men asleep, it keeps waking them up.
When both bread and circuses are gone, as on present trends both will be within a decade or so, a regime is cooked.
Find summer camps that specifically are designed for boys. When my boys were younger (they are 32 and 27 now), we sent them to a sleep away camp, in the woods, that was designed for all the masculine tendencies- camping, fires at night, scavenger hunts, canoeing, archery, etc. They loved it! They were surrounded by other boys and men and learned that it was okay to be masculine.
Also, get him involved in sports!
There’s something to this with relation to the Boy Scouts going the way of the dodo. I’m not the first person to observe this, but the systematic eradication of male-only spaces is highly concerning.
Single sex spaces are just as important for men and boys as they are for women and girls.
Just wait until middle school when students get a little more freedom....the boys go absolutely crazy and the teachers get mean and angry. 3 years of hell and fighting with a boy to get out the door to go to public school was exhausting! Pulled him out and put him into a private high school for boys....boy, was that the best thing we ever spent money on! His 1st day of school, he told me how respected he felt and how the teachers (many male, some female) made them feel welcome. Their time was respected, their life after school was respected (meaningful homework), their sports were respected. He hated English class (always did) but his favorite teacher was his English teacher (9th and 12 grade). Boys learn differently and public schools refuse to acknowledge that.
Very very well put. The need for masculine men as mentors for boys cannot be understated. The need for men as the example for what his daughter should marry cannot be understated.
I've seen this developing over at least the last 30 years. At least.
It was already happening in the early 60s when I was his age.
Basically it's been happening since the end of WW2, starting slowly, ramping up.
For obvious reasons.
As a male teacher I am constantly pushing against the tide that being a boy is toxic. It’s a never-ending fight.
I think you are right about the core issue here, but you are exaggerating your claims and it's going to turn off the very people who need to hear it. You write, "The protagonists in all the movies and T.V shows are women..." This is objectively false. T.V. and Movies for kids is chock full of men punching men, superheroes, and physical solutions to almost every problem. My kid is a bit older now, but I'm glad to be free of all the punching sound effects.
“We just heard a fascinating and disturbing study, where they looked at the ratio of men and women in groups. And they found that if there’s 17 percent women, the men in the group think it’s 50-50. And if there’s 33 percent women, the men perceive that as there being more women in the room than men.”
There is no choice between Peterson and Tate. They are both contributing to a call for males to take back their identity from the insane radical feminists.
I make this case relative to the call for female equality. If she offends you in an altercation, will you punch her in the face like you would a male doing the same? If that image alarms you and causes you to recoil in disgust, then you have clearly proven that females are not equal in your mind. They are still potential weak victims to be treated softer and with protection from males.
It is that perspective built into our brains that the fems exploit in a dirty, nasty and ugly approach to gain power over men. They benefit from the ingrained biological and evolutionary behavior in men to protect women while these women commit to destroy men.
I say males start punching feminists in the face, rhetorically or otherwise, as they would another male. I am all for real equality!
Tate's a rapist. You really want to idolize him? It sounds like you do when you talk about women wanting to destroy men. You sound like an incel talking about girls, or someone in the Klan talking about Black people or Jews. Not everyone is out to get you or people who look like you.
Put your black mask on ask have your mom make you a hot pocket and que your Gameboy.
Have you never noticed that kids have been expected to sit still and be quiet in school since, oh, the early 1900's? This isn't "feminine coded", it's the reality of being in an environment where kids are expected to learn. And boys did just fine in those environments for decades. It's only in the past few years that parents have been expecting schools to not enact any kind of discipline on them, instead letting them run around, scream, act out, and have whatever tantrum or "meltdown" they want...at the expense of the other children. If your kid can't cut it in an academic environment, there are plenty of vocational high schools and trade schools out there.
Up until fairly recent time, most boys went to work at ages as young as 14, where they were under the authority of older men who made them do what was expected whether they liked it or not (and fathers who owned their wages). Only a minority even had to cope with high school, much less college. And, of course, many teachers and tutors were men, and schools emphasized rough sports under the exact understanding that these were needed to get adolescent boys into a state where they could do intellectual work.
Guess the Taliban kicked the wrong gender out of school then! Considering that girls do better in a learning environment.
What you are referring to may be the premise that school was set up as a consequence of the Industrial Revolution. And while I agree that boys aren’t the only victim, children are victim of being energetic and creative. The current system is beyond antiquated. The over surge of dopamine from electronic devices plays a role. But the world is naturally averse to any forms of masculinity until it’s needed for survival. This has to change. Boys should be allowed to be boys. And as Jordan Peterson once said, “It’s not ok to be a man. It’s vital!”
I wrote this a while back, but it's still relevant.
"When I was growing up, we were taught that real men don't blame their problems on others, and especially not on those who were traditionally less well-off than we were. Real men were men of their word, honored their obligations, and didn't practice deceit to get where they wanted to go. Bullying those who were weaker than us was considered shameful. Are these values still relevant today? I would say yes, they are and they always will be, but our children aren't being taught those lessons."
completely agree.
What are your thoughts on combat sports for boys? (I'm not talking about martial arts, which seemingly adapted to a girl power niche prior to the late 2000s.)
You are observing now what I saw a decade ago (when my son was your son's age) - we were in peak toxic masculinity then, while simultaneously throwing midwives under the bus (having them erase all the words like "women" and "mother" from their websites and intake forms). Hoping that we are now sliding back to something more balanced.
I get where you're coming from. I have a 3-year-old son who has 3 sisters and is with me all day. I am not a single mom... my son loves being around me. His father will take him to do "boy stuff" often but he really enjoys being with me and his sisters the most.
I don't know how I would feel about having male teachers around my kids due to so many reports of male pedophiles working in schools and doing unspeakable things to little boys and girls. This is in middle school and high school and, in some cases, elementary. I think the schools in my area have been fair to both genders.
I do have some concerns about my son going into school and what kids and adults might say when they see him with long hair. We are a Puerto Rican family, and usually, Taino men have long hair. It's a sign of masculinity in our culture. I do not plan to cut his hair to appease others.
He is very much a boy. He loves sports, music, cars, and fixing everything he can for his older sisters. He refuses to wear a dress when his sisters ask him to or play with dolls. I got him so many toys that are just for him because he likes doing boy things, and the girls see how important it is for him to have these things. They no longer try to ask him to join them in girl games but will have him be the repairman, mechanic for the Barbie car, etc. They put on shows he would like on TV.
I feel okay with him going to school knowing that there are no male teachers. My husband feels the same way.
Predators like pedophiles will always seek out their prey, whether it's in a school, a church, or a youth group of any sort. I know that some men love to teach, but that's a paid job.
If a man (especially an unmarried one or one with no kids) volunteers to coach or read or do anything with young kids, I can't help but think there's an ulterior motive.
I was a child in a similar situation in the mid-late 2000s (my siblings were both boys, but I learned not to try and intrude on the brotherly bond they shared).
I would keep an eye out, but not necessarily panic. Kids intuitively understand that "what things are like in the house" is different from "what the world is like," and the latter is not going to come from what you seem to consider your strongpoints.
Try asking him if he ever plays boys vs girls games, and what they're like.
We use outdoor education at our school. There are a couple of integrated classes where the outdoors becomes the classroom for STEM and humanities. Though resilience is a key element of our programs, social and organizational development are additional byproducts. Through winter camping, cycling, skiing, exposure to animals (horses, dogs/puppies), hiking and some climbing, we hope to reach students that aren’t engaged by a typical education.
And Peterson will lose because he gives dumb Jungian takes rather than real philosophy and theology which men are dying for. Tate will win until we offer men the truth not neocon Zionism
I am forever grateful for Michael Gurian and his books. I read The Minds of Boys when the oldest of my 3 boys was in kindergarten and he was in trouble all the time. I only had sisters and had no idea at all about boys. Reading that book made me a better boy mom and helped me help him learn to control his school behavior . My husband is an amazing dad, but he was at a loss with school because it has changed so drastically since we were there.
The experience will probably turn him into a Nazi Just as the previous iteration is turning a huge chunk of Gen Z-ers into conservatives.
Social engineering is unsustainable in the long run, genetics will win through in the end; the blowback may be horrendous, but you reap what you sow.
Compliance depends on things otherwise being okay, on the "managerial State" doing its supposed job of running things efficiently, providing bread and circuses, at least. But that's what's failing. For example Gamergate was an example of ideological hubris leading to a failure to provide circuses that woke up a chunk of Gen X and Millennials, but the establishment still hasn't learnt its lesson, instead of keeping young men asleep, it keeps waking them up.
When both bread and circuses are gone, as on present trends both will be within a decade or so, a regime is cooked.